{"id":479,"date":"2024-08-06T14:19:06","date_gmt":"2024-08-06T14:19:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hamanship.com\/?p=479"},"modified":"2025-06-02T15:41:30","modified_gmt":"2025-06-02T15:41:30","slug":"gtm-106-mastering-the-transition-from-plg-to-pls-with-andrew-johnston","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/hamanship.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/06\/gtm-106-mastering-the-transition-from-plg-to-pls-with-andrew-johnston\/","title":{"rendered":"GTM 106: Mastering the Transition from PLG to PLS with Andrew Johnston"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/1e2xTJ09cPL5T3wKFV6Ba1?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameBorder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div style=\"height:25px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/andrewfoxjohnston\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Andrew Johnston<\/a>\u00a0is currently the Head of Sales at Superhuman, where he leads the go-to-market strategy as part of the executive team. Previously, he built the Mid-Market and PLS motion at Scale AI and led the global sales team at SendGrid following its acquisition by Twilio and its IPO.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-discussed-in-this-episode\">Discussed in this Episode:<\/h3>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The key differences between product-led growth (PLG) and product-led sales (PLS).<\/li>\n<li>When and why companies should consider transitioning from PLG to PLS.<\/li>\n<li>The challenges of combining distinct sales teams during an acquisition.<\/li>\n<li>How to effectively enable sales reps during a product expansion.<\/li>\n<li>The importance of understanding your ideal customer profile (ICP) for successful PLS.<\/li>\n<li>Strategies for moving upmarket, such as implementing paid pilots.<\/li>\n<li>Creating career paths and incentives for sales reps in different segments.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-highlights\">Highlights:<\/h3>\n<p>(9:50) Andrew&#8217;s definition of product-led growth and how it differs from product-led sales.<br \/>(12:16) The triggers for considering a transition from a PLG to a PLS approach.<br \/>(25:00) The challenges faced when combining SendGrid and Twilio&#8217;s sales teams post-acquisition.<br \/>(32:49) How Twilio&#8217;s unique &#8220;estimated ARR&#8221; commission structure impacted sales behavior.<br \/>(35:55) Using SendGrid as a &#8220;trojan horse&#8221; to expand Twilio&#8217;s presence in customer accounts.<br \/>(42:00) One thing revenue leaders believe to be true that Andrew thinks is bull$***<br \/>(47:09) One thing that is working for Andrew in go-to-market right now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Guest Speaker Links (Andrew Johnston):<br \/><\/strong>LinkedIn:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/andrewfoxjohnston\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/andrewfoxjohnston\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host Speaker Links (Scott Barker):<br \/><\/strong>LinkedIn:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/ssbarker\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.linkedin.com\/in\/ssbarker\/<\/a><br \/>Newsletter:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/thegtmnewsletter.substack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">thegtmnewsletter.substack.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sponsors:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.apollo.io\/demo-c?utm_campaign=podcast&amp;utm_medium=paid&amp;utm_source=gtmnow&amp;utm_content=august\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Brought to you by Apollo<\/strong><\/a><strong>.\u00a0<\/strong>Ever wonder what automating your entire outbound workflow could do for your revenue team? 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